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  1. Vinod Verma
  2. New Cars, Reviews
  3. Wednesday, July 27 2022
Hello,

I am a CG employee presently posted in Bulandshahr ( U. P.) city. In next few months I am going to be transferred out either to Dehradun or Ghaziabad. Before moving out I want to purchase a new car under 7.5 lakhs. Will opt for BH series number.

Firstly I let you know that this will be my first car and I don't know driving though i went to a driving school last year but all lapsed due to gap of a year.

I am confused between MT and AMT. I have heard that AMTs are not good for hilly areas (dehradun outskirts). As I am new driver MT will be tough for me. Please clear which will be good as per my requirement.

In manual I have narrowed down to i10 nios corporate edition.

In AMT I have selected i10 nios corporate and swift vxi (swift amt has hill hold assist as well as esp and also price difference from counter MT variant is less in swift). I think in AMT hill hold assist is important especially in hilly areas.

Please provide your valuable guidance considering the fact that the car will run around 500 km a month 80% in city of Dehradun or Ghaziabad, mainly for office commute and city errands and occasional outskirts outing with family.

As both the cities have different terrain, two different cars can be suggested. In that condition i will wait till transfer orders.

Please also note that my height is 5.2 only and a car with good bonnet visibility will be appreciated. Out of nios and swift which one has more visibility?

From 1st October 6 airbags are going to be mandatory. Should I wait for that or go ahead.

Any other suggestion besides above queries is also welcomed.

Thanks in advance

Vinod Verma
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Hi,

MT or AMT
First of all its a Myth to think that AMT are not good for hills
Its the driver skills which matters the most and secondly AMT is quiet convenient basis fact that

a) Offers creep mode where car will continue to accelerate till speed of 7 kmph when in drive mode so becomes easy on turns, heavy traffic as driver can control car by just applying brakes and releasing same

b) AMT cars do not stall in like Manual Transmission - which is what an issue faced by new learner

c) If seek additional torque or control on hills can engage by slotting gear in manual mode and can upshift or downshift easily

I suggest to refer this video explaining AMT Cars


Hill Assist
Now the con with most of AMT Cars earlier was lack of Hill Hold Assist feature - which we will proudly claim to be our effort to be voice of consumers and sharing with manufacturers and in social media channels that Hill Assist is something which is not privilege but a necessity

Thankfully is now available in most of the variants and Swift AMT indeed offers same.
What Hill Assist do is to hold car for 2 seconds on incline to give time to driver to control by pressing acceleration or pulling hand brake

Swift or Nios AMT
Yes - Hill Assist is indeed an important feature and especially the fact that hill drive would be required - Swift AMT makes more sense over Nios AMT which still do not offer this feature.

Both cars are good in visibility and offers height adjustable driver seat
Nios dash is marginally more raised as against Swift - will again make Swift Vxi AMT as better pick for need.

Although Nios is a great city use car, but for your requirement Swift AMT is better and needless to mention - Swift has better handling over Nios,

6 Airbags
Indeed as per draft notification by Ministry of Road Transport and Highways - 6 Airbags would be what mandated for car manufacturers from October 2022. As per report :-
> 2 Front Airbags
> 2 Side Airbags
> 2 Curtain Airbags
will be what standard from October 2022

However, no details yet on How strict the government would be like as new Maruti Grand Vitara, Urban Cruiser Hyryder where deliveries will begin from August - September still will be offered with 2 Airbags in lower variants

What will happen if non-compliance ? or any extension given

Hope should help !!


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Thanks for the quick response.

Following is my analysis. Please throw a light on it

1. As per online research and many ownership of reviews, AMT of Hyundai is miles ahead of that of Maruti. Still you are suggesting swift.

2. Also Swift has inferior built quality & features compared to nios.

3. Also swift vxi amt is at a higher price by 30000 approx as compared to nios corporate. Also required to install touchscreen + rear camera which further require 20000 approx. Overall swift vxi AMT will be 50000 costly to nios corporate AMT.

What i will get extra is only hill assist. Is swift still worth it by paying 50000 extra and that too with inferior AMT, inferior build quality, less features.

My heart was sold to nios but the feature of hill assist has changed all the picture. Now I am totally confused. Please help me.
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Thanks for the quick response.

Following is my analysis. Please throw a light on it

1. As per online research and many ownership of reviews, AMT of Hyundai is miles ahead of that of Maruti. Still you are suggesting swift.

2. Also Swift has inferior built quality & features compared to nios.

3. Also swift vxi amt is at a higher price by 30000 approx. Also required to install touchscreen + rear camera which further require 20000 approx. Overall swift vxi AMT will be 50000 costly to nios corporate AMT.

What i will get extra is only hill assist. Is swift still worth it by paying 50000 extra and that too with inferior AMT, inferior build quality, less features.

My heart was sold to nios but the feature of hill assist has changed all the picture. Now I am totally confused. Please help me.
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Hi,

Pls find point wise reply

1, Hyundai Grand i10 Nios AMT is a decent pick for local city use, However where usage specified on hill drive its important that
a) Steering feedback should be much better
b) Overall Handling Character
c) Hill Hold Assist Feature

which all 3 combine put together makes Swift AMT a better pick
Nios Steering is light and although perform good, but when pushed to corners, sudden turn - lacks feedback
Absence of Hill Hold Assist also loses charm of this car

2. Am unsure on where you got specific info on Swift Build as inferior to Grand i10 Nios
a) Both cars got 2 star safety rating in Global NCAP
b) Both Cars got bodyshell integrity marked unstable
c) Similar crash test score -
> Swift got 7.08 in Adult Occupant Safety, Nios got 7.05
> Swift got 16.23 in Child Safety, Nios got 15

and that model was not equipped with ESP. With ESP safety score increases to an extent
In terms of active safety specs - with ESP and Hill Hold Assist is advantage

3.. While Nios AMT is an excellent choice for
a) Local city use
b) AMT responsiveness
c) Features, Styling
d) Price Point which makes value

But - What you get additional in Swift
a) Better Handling, Steering feedback for hill drive
b) Hill Hold Assist Feature
c) ESP Safety which can make difference on braking on wet roads or highway
d) Relatively more fun in acceleration response - pls test drive car to experience.
e) Relatively More Fuel Efficient - can end up been getting 12% to 14% better mileage

Hence Swift recommended as better pick for your need
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Hello sir

Went to maruti showroom for TD of swift AMT but unluckily test drive vehicle was not available today. Will get a call in few days for test drive. However I took quotation for the vxi amt variant which is as under:

Ex showroom 732000
Insurance 41290
RTO 60260
Extended warranty 12445
CCP 1168
Hypothetication charges 1500
MGA 12445
Arena Auto card 885
Fast tag 600
Total 864652
Discount 15000
Net 849652

On asking for further discount finally quoted for 8,10,000/-.

Plus 24,000 for touchscreen and camera separately.

Please suggest whether the quotation is right or is there any scope for further discount. I think I will finalize swift vxi amt counting on your expert opinion.


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Hi,

> Ex showroom 732000 - correct

> Insurance 41290 (higher premium, pls check for multiple Insurance partners within Maruti Insurance on the dealer portal and choose accordingly)

> RTO 60260 (correct no brokerage for UP registration, but as you want BH Series will cost around rs 11000)

> Extended warranty 12445 (yes for 5 yr / 1 Lakh Kms warranty)

> CCP 1168 - whats this ? unsure

> Hypothetication charges 1500 - correct

> MGA 12445 - ask for breakup and check whats required. You can get better quality mats, steering wheel cover,

> Arena Auto card 885 - loyalty card which will get you 1% to 2% points against service, insurance renewal in later years and points accumulated can be

> Fast tag 600 - correct

Total 864652
Discount 15000
Net 849652

On asking for further discount finally quoted for 8,10,000/-. - excellent deal cant get better than it

Yes your experience will be better with Swift AMT
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Maruti Suzuki India Limited, today rolled-out a new ‘Customer Convenience Package (CCP)’ for its customers. This new Customer Convenience Package will cover customer vehicles for unforeseen failures in engine due to hydrostatic lock and fuel adulteration. The initiative is aimed to further strengthen the Company’s after-sales service connect with customers.
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Ok, Thanks for sharing .
Its good as earlier Hydrostatic cover used to be separately purchased in with Insurance which costed higher.

Rs 1168 is very low, ask them for long term options and take if available.
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Took drive of swift AMT and again took test drive of nios AMT. Finally decided for swift all thanks to you but still confused in variant selection.

1. VXI + MGA touchscreen & camera in extra budget of 25k as MGA

2. VXI + rear camera with separate display on dashboard/Irvm in extra budget of 9k as MGA

3. ZXI and add rear camera in extra budget of around 75k. Though hard for me but if its real VFM then will think about it.

Near ones are suggesting for 1st option but with after market touchscreen and Camera.

Please help again.
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Hi,

It all depends on your budget. To advise :- if you planning to spend like 25K for Swift Vxi with Touchscreen - spend 50K more for Swift Zxi
> Wider Tyres in 15 Inch R15 185/65 will ensure better grip
> Front Fog light and Rear Defogger can make a difference during cold conditions
> Convenience of Rear Wash, Wiper along with Auto Climate Control, Push Ignition, Adjustable head restraint on rear with 60:40 split rear seat, Power Fold ORVM
> Yes car feels more upmarket with 15 Inch Alloy Wheel (which in itself cost Rs 22K), Piano Black Finish on Dash, leather wrapped steering

If its not too much to stretch budget - owning a factory fitted car with least modification is better recommended to have peace of mind. Remember - no dealer can match in precision of factory level fitment.

Else if stretching budget is an issue - Vxi with Toucscreen and camera as option 1 should go for.

Hope should help !!
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The situation has been silently changed. I have been transferred to Noida instead of Dehradun/Ghaziabad. Now I have to travel between Noida and Ghaziabad for office and within Ghaziabad city for daily errands. There will be no hill drive now.

Do still swift is better option?

Should I cancel booking of swift VXI AMT and go with nios corporate AMT to save some money?

Any other car as the running will be on highway for office commute.

Thanks
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Yes basis update as shared - should opt with Grand i10 Nios AMT
and if seek to save money - Nios Magna / CE AMT is better

Having said same - there is waiting period which is relative higher on Nios AMT
If some dealer has stock in transit or cancellation - just grab same,

Hope it help !!
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Now I am super confused between both.

I like nios i10 more but lack of hill assist feature is the only point which forces me to swift.

Though the driving will be in city now but there will be flyovers and parking slopes where this feature is useful.

If nios i10 has this feature there will be no confusion.

I have seen various online reviews where owners of nios i10 suggesting one will accustomed to drive nios amt on slopes without hill assist feature.

But others are suggesting hill assist is a must for beginner even in city as there are flyovers and slopes. There are situations of traffic jam on flyovers where this feature helps a lot and save from any mis-happening.

Please rescue me from this confusion. I will retain the car for longer period 10 years or more.
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Dear Vinod ji,

Theres considerable difference in flyover and hill drive
Flyover in Delhi, NCR Zone can no way be compared to Hills drive, Its pretty easy to drive on flyovers without any issue in AMT Cars
Even AMT comes with Creep Mode, so leave aside 1.2 Litre engine - even if you would have decided about 1 Litre AMT then still it wouldnt have posed any issue out there

Pls understand in creep mode - car pulls ahead till speed of 7 kmph which makes it
> super easy in bumper to bumper traffic
> even if you would have stopped in mid of flyover on incline - still can easily be cleared

Also, in case of steep incline like coming from Mall basement and say if stopped then after pressing brakes, can pull handbrake first and then accelerate a bit by pulling down handbrake simultaneously as will ensure that car will not roll back

Rest Hill Hold is an essential function on hill areas and ESP can make a diference on wet roads, highway
Having said same - if objective of yours is to drive in local commute in Delhi / NCR - be assured Nios AMT with electric actuator can end up as superir value buy basis price, transmission response and features as provided.

Hope should help !!
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