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  1. Amit
  2. Second Hand Cars
  3. Wednesday, October 20 2021
Hi Gagan Ji,

Thanks for the great content and expert advice channeled through this site and your videos

With rising petrol, I am looking to buy a 2nd hand car with

- Good fuel efficiency
- Small footprint- easy to drive/park in tight spots
- Automatic Transmission
- It will be great if the car can do a good job at handling bad/bumpy/broken city roads and occasional highway trips as well
- Back seat will be used by family once or twice in a week 2 adults + 1 kid
- it will be good if the suspension is not very stiff and bumps should too harsh
- Running (when office opens) is approx. 1400km per month excluding any highway trips

I would like to get a sequential CNG fitted - I've read in your forums that CNG doesn't work well with AMT's preset gear ratios and can cause negative impact to gear box , But I wanted to check on the following:
- What If when driving on CNG I drive on Manual mode and when driving on Petrol I use the Auto mode - will that solve for the problem as the manual mode holds the gear when accelerating till it is manually changed?
- is there anything around safety concerns that I should be aware of - are there any organized players in Delhi CNG market that you recommend?

With above requirement and tight budget of around 5 lacs, I had a three year old delta/zeta Ignis AMT and these other AMT Alternatives in mind - Swift Vxi, Wagon R (has smaller 1.0 liter engine), i10 nios magna (Wagon R in 1.2 AMT and i10 nios are difficult to find)

It will be great if you can advise on
- My shortlist and any other options you think I should consider
- Right price of less than 30K run, 3yr, old, 2nd hand Ignis Detla/Zeta, Swift and i10 nios
- CNG fitment if driven on manual mode in AMT car and also safety concerns

Thanks,
Amit
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Dear Amit ji,

Greetings !!

1. As of now CNG is not allowed to be retrofitted in BS6 Cars.
Although lot of meetings happened by different stakeholders with Transport department - but its been more than 20 months passed and CNG still not allowed to be retro fitted. So - point is presently - CNG as choice available in cars with Factory fitted option. If you choose to retro fit CNG Kit in BS6 Car - same wont be endorsed by RTO making insurance policy null and void.

2. Unfortunately - none of the AMT cars as of now available with Factory fitted CNG Kit (despite of the fact that Petrol prices breached 100 mark in almost every city). A Big Opportunity lost by Auto OEM.

3. Although Swift CNG, Dzire CNG and Brezza CNG on cards and will be launched soon - but again would be introduced only in Manual Transmission. So no AMT Car in any of the segment offering Factory Fitted CNG Kit

Considering scenario wherein CNG if approved to be retro fitted in BS6 Petrol Car
What If when driving on CNG I drive on Manual mode and when driving on Petrol I use the Auto mode - will that solve for the problem as the manual mode holds the gear when accelerating till it is manually changed?


Although there are retro fitment center who install CNG Kit in Automatic Transmission too - but w.r.t compatibility issues in medium terms is unknown, Also - Unforunately no data available on using CNG Kit in Manual Mode in AMT Cars on whether this will offer peace of mind ownership.
So cant really recommend CNG Kit in AMT Car as of now

is there anything around safety concerns that I should be aware of - are there any organized players in Delhi CNG market that you recommend?

Whenever rule comes for retro fitment of CNG in BS6 Cars - do choose CNG Kit fitment center
> whos authorized vendor of CNG Kit of that brand and provide proper GST Paid Bill and warranty
> whos authorized as per delhi government
> can confirm to provide you endorsed RC with CNG
> Also needless to mention choose OBD2 compliant sequential CNG Kit

Shortlisting
Well basis present rules - a Used car like Ignis, Swift can be impressive choice but for AMT to be retro fitted with CNG - well i really cant recommend anyone as have no specific info of group of cars performing well with after-market CNG.

Somehow if you seek CNG as of now can only ask you to consider in Manual Transmission cars and Used Swift and Nios if available would be better pick. May consider retro fit sequential CNG from any branded CNG - Lovato, BRC, Greco, Landirenzo or italian Kits of repute

Do note that BS4 cars are readily allowed to be endorsed with CNG Kit,

Hope should help !!


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Well, since I am going to buy a used BS4 car, CNG retro fitment is not a problem. Thanks for tips on CNG fitment. Also, your recommendation is exactly same as my shortlist - so that's good

Would request if you could provide your inputs on the below as well -

- What exactly are the compatibility or potential issues when running AMT car with CNG ? (that can't be resolve by running AMT on manual mode)
- Could you please rank Swift, i10 nios and Ignis - Which one makes a better choice as a used car buy based on my requirement stated above?
- What should be the target price for these cars in used car market in Delhi - say 3 yr. old, 30K run

Will be eagerly awaiting for your response :)

Thanks,
Amit


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Dear Amit ji,

Greetings !!

CNG in AMT Car
Appreciate your interest on CNG Fitment in AMT Cars - however there is no sufficient data which we can share with you about compatibility issues by using car in Manual Mode

Point is AMT Unit works in conjunction with Actuators for gear shift change - which is controlled by ECU basis car RPM, Speed in response. As CNG Fitment leads to power performance loss hence this can distort in AMT Unit functioning

We dont recommend CNG Fitment in AMT Cars
Somehow no data available on CNG Functionality in driving in Manual Mode in AMT Car.

CNG Compatibility
Maruti Suzuki Cars perform the best with respect to CNG Compatibility
Given a choice Swift CNG would be first pick followed by Ignis and then Nios
However, we recommend to buy in a Petrol Car and consider CNG Fitment on your own
Anyone selling in 3 to 5 yr old Swift, I10 or Ignis with CNG Fitment would likely be selling for compatibility issues as major reason (been the fact that owner invested good 40K to 50K on CNG - theres little scope to sell car so early)

So choose in Petrol car and get CNG as retro fitment done

Target Price
Depends on condition and variant but to indicative
> Used Swift Vxi 30K Kms driven 2018 Model Facelift Edition - would likely be available in around rs 4.6 Lakh to 4.75 Lakh
> Used Ignis Delta 30K Kms Driven 2018 Model - would likely be available around Rs 4.25 Lakh to 4.5 Lakh
> Used Hyundai Grand i10 Nios - would be too difficult to find as is just 2 yr old model


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