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  1. Saurabh
  2. New Cars, Reviews
  3. Thursday, August 19 2021
Hello Gagan,

I am planning to buy my first car and need your help. I have used Wagnor-CNG (owned by my brother) for couple of years. Below are my high level requirements -

1. Safety
2. Mileage
3. Low maintenance and good ownership experience
4. Comfortable for 5 adults. Most of the times travel will be with 3 adults
5. Budget - 12 L (can stretch by 2L)
6. Monthly Running - Difficult to comment and predict at this time. But for now we can go by 1000-1500 Kms maximum in a month. Mostly on City roads. I am based out of Pune. Outstation drive once or twice in a quarter.
7. I am only considering automatic transmission cars as my wife also plans to drive it.
8. I am not an enthusiast and looking for value for money practical car.


I am considering Nexon AMT, Amaze CVT, Jazz CVT. But I am open for any option best suited for my requirements.

Some of the questions that I have with products that I am considering -

1. Nexon
a. Is mileage for Petrol AMT a problem? I read few reports where users are claiming single digit mileage
b. Is after sales service really a concern and is it true that more often than not service center is not able to fix the reported issues to your satisfaction?

2. Amaze/Jazz
a. Is ground clearance sufficient for my requirements?
b. With Honda's decline in market share and committment to Indian market, is it still worth considering buying?
c. What is the mileage for Amaze/Jazz CVT?
d. Does Jazz have better safety and underlying platform/chassis than Amaze?

Some of the cars I have not considered with reasoning -

Brezza - Do not like the interiors and space on backseats
I20 - Safety and do not like exterior
Venue - Space
Kiger, Sonet - Not sure about long term review and prospects of Kia/Renault

I have attached the payment screenshot.

Thank you for your help. Looking forward to hear from you.

Regards,
Saurabh
Gagan Modi Accepted Answer
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Hi Saurabh,

Greetings !!

Let me assis you point wise

1. Nexon Mileage: See, Crossover / SUV in Petrol tend to deliver lower Mileage Only. Somehow, Nexon
> kerb weight is relative higher
> Raised Ground Clearance
impacts fuel efficiency to an extent. However, Tata Motors offers Nexon in Multi Mode - Eco, City and Sport Mode

Somehow
> Eco mode yes delivers best mileage but this mode drags down performance to a considerable extent and recommended for highways when cruising at controlled speed or using cruise control
> City Mode - thankfully is much improved (as what was 18 months back). Car is reasonable satisfactory on day to day basis drive
> Sports Mode - Very revv friendly performance but comes at the cost of fuel efficiency.

Point is for someone who has mixed usage of city and highway and drives often on city mode in day to day usage, sports mode for less than 5% and eco mode on highways can expect in 10 to 11 Kmpl within city and anything around 15 Kmpl on highway.

2, Tata After Sales: Well still not the benchmark but can comment that much better with significant improvements in CRM and Process standards. With host of improvisation and fine tune ups - Nexon is a fairly reliable car and if you are in Tier1 City - expect Tata Motors after sales service standard (if not the best) to be called in as acceptable.

But, as you referred that majority of drive to be in city and care for
> Low Maintenance
> Good Fuel Efficiency

as an important criteria
i will suggest to look out for alternatives beyond Nexon

Honda Amaze / Jazz
See both are reasonable impressive products from Honda Cars India
> Honda Amaze is best suited for drives who have maximum in city use. Suspension is on softer note, steering is light, CVT is quiet smooth - will find output of car to be fair impressive on day to day usage in city conditions
> Been light in kerb weight expect Fuel efficiency to be relative better too
> Honda Spare parts for Amaze are quiet competitive and expect lower cost of ownership experience too

But, as a product per se
> Jazz feels more stable on highway
> Jazz feels more Sturdy (Shares same platform as 4th gen city)
> Fit and Finish and Interior Aesthetics are a notch above

and if concerned for ground clearance then Jazz stiffer suspension is better scenario against Amaze - which will prevent under-body from scraping in similar conditions as against Amaze

See - Honda Cars India is there in market for over 23 yrs and sold close to 1.7 Million Cars in India and has lot many plans for future
Yes - with change of management in recent past with concerns on a plant closed in greater noida along with lower than expected sales is a challenge. but be assured you will never find Honda Cars India out of market

If they wont grow - they wont slide further from present levels too.
Amaze has own set of customers, Jazz has its own set, City has its own iconic status and will continue to remain same.

Coming to specific queries as asked
a. Is ground clearance sufficient for my requirements?
Yes reasonable for city use. Somehow Jazz will be still a pick basis stiffer suspension as against Amaze soft suspension

b. With Honda's decline in market share and committment to Indian market, is it still worth considering buying?
Yes as explained earlier - Huge after sales service and at a level where Honda Cars India wont slide further

c. What is the mileage for Amaze/Jazz CVT?
Amaze is marginally more fuel efficient. Although mileage based on number of factors but can state that anything around 13 to 13.5 KMpl in Amaze in city usage and 17 to 18 Kmpl on highway should be a reasonable expectation. While for Jazz 12 to 12.5 Kmpl on city and anything around 16 to 17 kmpl in Jazz should be a good expectation

d. Does Jazz have better safety and underlying platform/chassis than Amaze?
Been baeed on 4th Gen city platform, somehow find Jazz to be more sturdy (although no crash test performed of Indian Jazz)

Given a choice as product per se - Honda Jazz CVT would be best fit.
But Amaze with softer suspension, lower turning radius and soft suspension would be slight more comfortable from your better half perspective.

Suggest to test drive and experience, overall i recommend for better product and Jazz CVT can be superior pick
Hope should help !!


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Hello Gagan,

I have test driven jazz, amaze and nexon (diesel amt). I have been trying for months but not able to get nexon amt petrol for test drive.

Also based on your response earlier -

1. With the mileage that was shared there not a huge difference in city ~20%
2. Nexon diesel has a very good mileage ~18 kmpl
3. Even with Nexon Petrol or Diesel, I will be stretched on my budget( 13.7 L for petrol, 15.6 L for diesel for xza+). Even if I can manage, not sure if it is worth spending additional money vs jazz/amaze
4.Am I missing any other good car for the requirements that I have shared?
5. Did not find a lot of difference between jazz and amaze as such, and can happen with the limited test drive, even if it was for 6-7 kms

In a nutshell, I am still very confused.


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Gagan Modi Accepted Answer
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Hi Saurabh,

Let me shortlist a car basis updated inputs with

1. Mileage / Low Running Cost as one among most important criteria: Now in an Automatic Car if you seek lower running cost then
> Honda Amaze Diesel CVT
> Kia Sonet Diesel Automatic
> Tata Nexon Diesel AMT
> Mahindra XUV300 Diesel AMT

are there in Diesel and if you consider in Petrol then
> Nissan Magnite CVT / Kiger CVT
> Maruti Dzire AMT
> Maruti Ciaz AT
> Maruti Ertiga AT

are one among most fuel efficient one in market in cars with 4 Meter length (with exceptions of Ciaz and Ertiga listed above)

2. Safety Aspect: Now when you bring in Safety Aspect to it and seek minimum 4 Star Rated one or higher then options turn limited to
> Honda Amaze Diesel CVT
> Tata Nexon Diesel AMT
> Mahindra XUV300 Diesel AMT
> Nissan Magnite CVT / Kiger CVT
> Maruti Ciaz Automatic - scored 4 star in ASEAN NCAP


3. Low maintenance and good ownership experience: From After sales service and service cost plans - this is shortlisted further to
> Honda Amaze Diesel CVT
> Mahindra XUV300 Diesel AMT
> Nissan Magnite CVT / Kiger CVT
> Maruti Ciaz Automatic - scored 4 star in ASEAN NCAP

4. Comfortable for 5 adults. Most of the times travel will be with 3 adults: Yes all 4 Cars meets in criteria of Comfort

5. If you seek Long Lasting Reliability : Amaze Diesel CVT and Ciaz Automatic leads the chart followed next in Mahindra XUV300 Diesel AMT

So essentially you are now left with 3 choices
1. Honda Amaze Vx Diesel CVT - will cost in around 13 Lakh
2. Maruti Ciaz Delta Petrol Automatic - will cost in around 12 Lakh
3. Mahindra XUV300 W6 Diesel AMT - will cost in around 13 Lakh

If you ask me from Value perspective - well Honda Amaze loses in value. Prices were recently increased to a high of over 1 Lakh and this takes away value advantage appeal with the car

Recommended Shortlitsed Picks
If you seek Petrol Automatic - Ciaz Automatic is a great choice, comfort oriented ride
If you seek Diesel one - Check out XUV300 W6 Diesel AMT, Service schedule of oil change is 20000 Kms a year and AMT in Diesel unit is pretty impressive. Thanks to high 300 NM Torque - the pause effect as observed during gear change is minimail and is a great all round car

May check out above as looks like best pick for your need, requirement
Hope should help !!


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