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  1. Anish Gupta
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Hey Gagan

I am from Hyderabad and want to buy my 1st car soon.

Family Size: 2.

Driving years: 1 for me. I am ok with MT, but long drives cramps up my left foot. Wife is learning. She is not exactly comfortable with MT.
Should we look at AT. Once she is ok I would prefer she takes the car. Daily travel distance would double to 40 km.

Usage:
Daily ~ 20 km total up/down for me on factory roads, so suspension is also a factor.
I am looking for car for safety and convenience for us.
Occasionally our parents and siblings come over so I would like good rear space.
We might take the car out for longer drives 1-2 times a year

Budget: 8-9 L. I can extend to 10.5 L. Should I buy now or wait for Diwali for offers. Also all cash is possible, should I.

Cars on my mind:
*Baleno Zeta AT/MT. I have test driven both. I was in tune with MT and a bit hesitant but still good with AT. I'm not sure about suspension as the test driven route was smooth.
MT-8.9 L
AT-10.1 L
Should I take from Suzuki or Toyota as prices are not different.

*i20 AT/MT/DCT. I am going to test drive today ?.
Based on initial analysis MT models only start at 9.3 L. They have a lot of bells and whistles. Between baleno and i20, only in i20 asta O do I get side airbags which is at 11 L MT

What other cars should I see.

I dropped i10 and swift because I was never comfortable sitting in their back seats (claustrophobia) and knew pain.
I'm being discouraged by my BiL to look at Dzire saying that the 60+ handling is not good in it. Also they now are the predominant cars in Hyderabad for Ola/Uber.

What other cars should I see? Being 1st time buyer I want a no hassle ownership for 7-10 years.

Used cars for above models are coming at 7 L 2017-2018 model as mentioned on Carwale. Does that make sense? Again I'm being discouraged by family members to buy used car.

Best Wishes
Anish
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Hi Anish ji,

Yes, basis fact that theres
> Slight medical issue on long distance travel with left foot
> Your better half is not very comfortable with Manual Transmission

Makes all sense to go with Automatic Transmission / AMT one for convenience factor.

Now as you seek a car for
> long term perspective
> Reliability
> Peace of mind ownership

Somehow :- Maruti, Hyundai, Honda, Toyota what leads the segment to offer peace of mind ownership and reliability
Now - of the given choices

1. Honda Jazz CVT: A Great pick from refined CVT having paddle shifters for slight fun experience . Adding on superior fit and finish and feels more sturdier than Baleno / Glanza twins and feels more upmarket too.

Adding on very stable car with no-nonsense approach
But 2 big cons with Jazz
a) Service schedule is bi-annual which means incurring cost to extent of rs 10K every year during paid service
b) Rear seat Headrest are fixed and rather smaller in size. For anyone whos beyond 5'7" or taller may not feel as comfy

Although in fit, finish, sturdy builld, paddle shifters - i rate Jazz a notch above Baleno / Glanza
But somehow ownership experience will come at a cost in terms of relative higher service cost and yes rear seat headrest are quiet smaller which are comfortable.

2. Hyundai I20 : Hyundai did considerable enhancements in 3rd Gen I20 which feels now
> Most Spacious car in sub 4 meter segment
> Fit and Finish feels good
> Lifestyle features makes it premium
> Choice of IVT and IMT Turbo basis driving style where IVT is for relaxed drivers and IMT Turbo is getting a feel of power yet with added convenience as no manual clutch pedal is there
> Hyundai reliability, cost of ownership is very competitive. Offered with 5 yr Wonder Warranty / 40K Kms without any extra cost

but
> Suspension dynamics are not best suited for bad roads which will likely be a deal breaker in your case

3. Maruti Baleno CVT: I rate Baleno / Glanza a notch lower than I20 and Jazz
Suspension is on stiffer note. Adding on plastic quality and yester year steering wheel with door quality just feels pretty average.
To our view - somehow you wont experience comfort while driving on upcountry roads

So eventually - none among them to our view would be best suited for you

What should rather look at
Basis fact you looking for
> Safety
> Convenience
> Drive on Kutcha / Upcountry roads

Best car can recommend for need is to slight increase budget and opt for :- Maruti Brezza Vxi Automatic or rebadged Toyota Urban Cruiser
See point is - if ready to go upto 10.5 Lakh - consider spending in 60K to 70K more and be assured that

> Suspension dynamics of Brezza : are a notch better in providing comfort oriented ride
> Bigger 1.5 Litre 4 cylinder petrol engine has lot of grunt at lower end. Will never feel under-powered
> Despite of 4 speed Automatic (which on paper looks outdated) but in real world when driving in relaxed way will find this 4 speed AT best tuned for city conditions
> Mileage factor in Brezza with SHVS is good as against any other compact SUV
> Been your parents will join in. yes ingress and egress will feel a lot better
> All round visibility, wide window glass area provides a feel of space
> 4 Star Safety rated car

However, let me admit
> Plastic Quality is very average
> Cabin Feels outdated at times when you spending in that much amount
> Rear seat are placed slight in upright position.
> Speed limits above 100 kmph is not recommended been steering dynamics not as good as should be beyond that speed.

But be assured from cost of ownership, reliability will find it lot better and basis fact that road conditions are not good - you just can not compromise on car from suspension dynamics. Brezza feels lot better in offering comfort.

For differentiation - can consider in Toyota Urban Cruiser Mid Automatic where Toyota offering 3 yr warranty as standard and somehow Toyota after sales experience is also better.

For Used Cars: Makes sense only if you follow in detailed guide and checklist on used car. One wrong move and your experience can ruin in.

Hope should help !!
Feel feel to connect for any queries on same.


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Thanks Gagan.
I got contact from toyota for UC MID AT trial this week.

Also, being a compact SUV, what should I look at during a test drive. I haven't driven one yet.

Would delaying a buy to Diwali or December bring in any offers.
I saw you mentioned in a video that New Brezza is expected in 2022.
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Hi,

Although have shared feedback
3 Important things when experiencing test drive

1. Tell Dealer showroom initially before having test drive that you will hav longer test drive of around 10 to 12 odd kms before finalizing.

2. Let him know that you had plans for I20 but been have to drive on bad roads as your office route is on that roads - hence considering UC and thus will experience to drive on Drive on bad roads / similar roads.

3. Drive on to experience
> Visibility aspect
> Pickup the way you drive car
> Cornering, Brakes
> Drive on Good city roads & Slight Bad roads to experience ride comfort
> Parking too for ease of same.

Also have your family members sit on rear seat while you will be using on city roads.
Plus let it hand over to your wife too to experience.

Hope should help !!
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Hi Gagan

While I wait, what is your stand on EVs in India right now June 2021.
I saw Tata Nexon EV (youtube :D). Finance is issue so might not go for it.
What is the feedback from people you have helped buy EVs.

Brezza being an Hybrid Tech, is it be eligible for FAME subsidy, etc. Just for information.

Best Wishes
Anish


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Hi Anish,

No Fame subsidy on Brezza,

EV is altogether a different experience and separate league.
Nexon Base EV Model despite of zero road tax will touch in 14.5 Lakh on road and has limited real life range of 200 Kms at a stretch with lesser features

If budget do not permit and extended car finance needs to be taken then why to look towards it.
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Hi Gagan

I did my test drive with Urban Cruiser Premium AT with Toyota today and the overall drive was good. Pickup seemed good as well from standstill, but not sure about overtaking.

However as you mentioned, the MID version is basic with the internal feature offering. That takes me into HIGH version which is expanding a lot more on the budget into 13.5 L.

You enter it and venue starts looking as an option with all its bells and whistles. However venue only offer DCT automatic else they have an iMT. Also a lot of confusion because 3 engines are available.
Dekha chahiye? If yes what combination?
iMT or DCT
Petrol preferred
Mileage
After Sales Service (I saw your video on venue vs brezza and you recommend venue over there)

Also does it make sense, I have been driving only 18-19 months, will DCT and turbo engine add a lot to my after sales service cost.

Thanks Again
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Just adding on
Offers available for UC is 10k + 5k corporate.

It would be better to buy car right now or wait for Diwali offers?
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Hi,

Reason why Venue not recommended at first place was that you referred
> 'Daily ~ 20 km total up/down for me on factory roads, so suspension is also a factor.'
> Occasionally our parents and siblings come over so I would like good rear space.

Hyundai Venue comes with Stiffer suspension and is relative compact on rear seat legroom

Anyhow if feel like going overboard - explore in Honda Jazz CVT
we would like to edit in 1st reply: as Honda Cars India revamped service scheduled in Jazz and now its 1 yr / 10,000 Kms (and same is just updated with us 2 days back). So higher service cost are now a thing of past.

This is a great buy and Jazz Vx CVT at price of under 10.5 Lakh would be a decent call at value price
Hope should help !!
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Hi Gagan.

Sorry for the late reply.

I am reading news about upgrades to Brezza coming soon. 2 key features I read is 5 speed AT and the build being on the Heartect platform.

Do you have any information on this? Can you guess what time would they launch? I'm asking as they are telling me 2-3 months wait time for the automatic.

Best Wishes
Anish Gupta
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Hi Anish,

Pls find details on Brezza Facelift


Kind check details !!
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For all bs6 honda jazz vehicles service interval has been increased to 12 months from 6 months.
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