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  1. Ashutosh Upadhyay
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  3. Tuesday, July 13 2021
Hi Gagan Sir,

My name is Ashutosh and I live in Pune. PFB some of my points to help you out with my requirement/query:
1) As of now I own a 2015 Wagon R CNG but considering the safety and occasional long drives (around 1000 KMs) I am looking for a bigger family car (at least a 5 seater SUV/pseudo SUV).
2) I finalized XUV300 W6 and Nexon XMS petrol long back but after going through with your videos holded back and now looking for a suitable compact or midsize SUV (probably diesel). My budget is around 15 lacs (can stretch for better VFM offering for 7 seater as well).
3) XUV300 is ruled out now as it has limited boot space and interiors are not great in the 2021 and also didn't like the vibe in Mahinda showrooms and salespeople attitude (sarkari daftar wali feeling).
4) Nexon (XZA+ Diesel) still in preference but is it still VFM or not over Manual as AMT is not great (reliability I am not sure). Note Tata sales staff are also arrogant these days over the 5 star GNCAP thing.
5) I am going to take it regularly for Pune-Bhopal travel and long drives (2 or 3 per year at least) with 5 adults and one kid in.
6) I am a light weight paddle person who loves relaxed driving but needs a powerful engine.
7) Creta, Seltos, Venue, Sonet, Brezza, Rebadged Brezza, Kiger, Magnite I don't want as safety is priority. So any other 5 seater suggestions?
8) Liked Ecosport, but its just 4 seaters so ruled out.

My doubts:
1) Should I go with Diesel or Petrol considering my regular Highway drives and for long term peaceful ownership on both cost and reliability terms.
2) If Petrol, can Skoda Kushaq Active and Ambition (that 3 lakhs over Active is it worth?) are good options for me with a small TSI engine for long highway drives
3) If Diesel, can I go for Nexon and which variant is good as I want safety and little premiumness inside the car as well. But Tata offers just 2 years of warranty that worries me with the reliability of their products. Also should I be worried about the DPF used in the BS6 Diesel engine?
4) Shall I wait for upcoming launches like XUV700, go for XUV500 (my wife doesn't like the looks, Mahindra has design language issues probably) or can look for Harrier, Safari or Alazazar (last resort).
5) Sedan is not good as I witnessed the roads of M.P. and ground clearance matters for me.
6) And which month is good to buy cars with discounts :P?. You can skip that as well :D.
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Hi Ashutosh,

The way Fuel prices are on an increase is a case of worry and somehow Petrol SUV Cars fuel efficieny is not as great - that cause for a reason for anyone whos' having 10K+ Kms annual drive to consider in Diesel as against Petrol

I understand
> XUV300 : Compact boot space and the way prices been increased with multiple round of price hike in last 7 to 8 months has taken away value proposition. Can you believe in XUV300 W6 AMT was priced at 9,99 lakh last year with On road price was at around 11.75 Lakh, and same model now cost in beyond 13 Lakh

> Nexon AMT: AMT is much improvised in Nexon - a lot better especially sports mode for fun experience.
But yes Tata after sales service, rear seat shoulder room and buying an AMT Car at such a price like XZA Plus AMT at 14 Lakh only raise in question on Value perpsective.

Even, if you switch to Petrol - somehow for 5 Adults and 1 Kid - Kushaq would be just too tight.
Despite been a very competent car - problem is rear center middle seat where due to armrest seat base is back and somehow not a comfort position. So essentially Kushaq is best for 4 adults

Although you referred many choices: But my point is if you seek a Car with 5 adults and 1 Kid on board, where kid will soon turn to grownup child / teenager and need his/her own seat and space. Cars like Nexon, Creta, Kushaq, XUV300, Ecosport will always be a challenge

Theres absolute no harm in considering Toyota Innova Crysta Model 2018 March made and later
You will love in seating space, Toyota Bulletproof reliability, engine performance and a car which can be perfect for near all occassion on highway. Yes this is a rear wheel drive one and has vibration with hyderaulic steering which too felt heavier

Been you specified in highway running forming a considerable running factor - there's no other car which feels as stable as Innova Crysta./

Be assured from
> Performance
> High speed grip, stability,
> Reliability
> Unmatched Space
> Competitive Cost of Ownership

Innova Crysta 2018 Model or later new shape can be near perfect for need, requirement.
But - go in only if you make up your mind for Used car.

Rest Option in New Car
See Mahindra doing stock clearance of existing XUV500 W5 or if budget permit to go ahead for W7 and selling with stock clearance discounts to tune of
> Rs 83K Cash Discount (w5/w7)
> Rs 50,000 Exchange Bonus
> Rs 20,000 Accessories
> Rs 6500 Corporate Discount
Plus some dealer end offers

I understand your wife do not like in design, but from
> Performance aspect
> Ruggedness aspect
> Loads of space in 2nd row (Somehow cant slide in is a big restriction)
> Space for 3rd row for Kid - strict for small kid or basis wide cabin can fold in 3rd row and make kid comfy on 2nd row too
> Value Buy basis existing model almost niggle free been tested a lot
> Highway dynamics is a great pick
> Impressive Build Quality

Yes can face in slight higher wind noise as issue, but XUV500 is great choice and value perspective
Looks are something which just grows on and adjust too over period of time - but prime factor is whether the requirements are meeting up or not.
Basis discount offers XUV500 W5 or upgrade to W7 can be a great deal pick in new car segment.

Thats my view, feel free to write your thoughts or queries on same.
Hope should help !!


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Ashutosh Upadhyay Accepted Answer
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Hi Gagan Sir,

Thanks for quick response.
XUV500 is in mind too, but MPV might not. XUV500 W7 Manual is costing me around 17.68 lacs with on paper discount with same month delivery, however my close friend who owns it from last 4 years said that Mahindra service is not good in Pune. The same I felt with the vibe when I visited three showrooms here.

If AMT is not value proposition then I can lower down my requirement to manual and also can work out with just 5 seater (as often its 4 and once or twice all of us together). I will try to check further for XUV500 as suggested.

However if possible can you shed some more lights over most VFM for Nexon diesel variant as this is one of my preference. Note one of the dealer offering me XMA+ DT (O) with immediate delivery if I finalize in one or two days.

Or else shall I wait for future SUVs from Toyota or Honda?

Regards,
Ashutosh
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Hi Ashutosh ji,

See - as a car buyer a positive feel good factor about brand is pretty much important
If you already got a hearing from a friend of yours on after sales and somehow getting vibe that Mahindra showroom are not that responsive - then its best to listen to your heart.

When you spending good amount of moolah like 15 Lakh to 20 Lakh - its important to not to make compromise

With respect to Tata Nexon
See Nexon shines a lot in Diesel. Will love engaging Power performance and trust is best in Manual Transmission
Yes is quiet fun and engaging.

But with respect to AMT - my suggestion is to rather experience in Petrol AMT
Somehow - the jerks / pause effect as felt in Nexon Diesel AMT is relative higher as against Petrol AMT

Now i tell you
> Petrol AMT was dismal in BS4 when car was launched in 2018 end
> But thanks to very fine tune up in BS6 Petrol AMT - somehow jerks are very minimal now in new BS6 Petrol Nexon AMT - when you revv in sports mode with lot fun and much controlled in city drive too.

In terms of Engine Noise levels too - Nexon Petrol AMT feels comparatively feels quiter against Diesel (although on stand alone basis yes noise level are felt in cabin on higher speed), So can think that Diesel one would be noisier.

Lastly price difference which is actually steep to extent of 1.5 Lakh+ in between Nexon petrol AMT and Diesel AMT
My suggestion if considering Nexon in AMT to experience in Nexon XZA Plus Petrol AMT available at 10.55 Lakh as rather better pick against Diesel one.

Upcoming SUV from Toyota / Honda
> Toyota not launching any new SUV in 2021, cant comment about 2022
> Honda will likely come with new SUV in 2022

But those are far away thing and no concrete info available on it.
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Ashutosh Upadhyay Accepted Answer
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Hi Gagan Sir,

Makes a lot of sense, I personally vouch for Mahindra Diesel so XUV500 is still in consideration considering discounts (I was referring one of your old video and you said you have W5, is it sufficient as allrounder still? or can I say 2021 ver improved over the old one). I can look for some more Mahindra showrooms and see if that helps.

For Nexon now considering to manual Diesel, did not checked that the difference is 1.5 lacs (thanks for pointing it) so may be XZ+ suits better.

However please help me with three of the last doubts 1) shall I look for Harrier second to base variant, Alcazar base variant (may be its safer than Creta).
2) DPF concerns in Diesel engines, is it manageable as part of maintenance?.
3) Shall I consider Kushaq for atleast long drive factors if I skip space for 5 for now?

It seems somewhere I need to adjust my requirements so figuring out best product :).
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Hi,

Tata Harrier is much improvised in BS6 version and considering fact that product more than 30 months old - initial niggles been resolved to a considerable extent.

But, point is when you exceed budget to extent of XT by spending in close to like 19 Lakh zone, then it all makes sense to enhance by another Rs 1.5 Lakh or so by going ahead with better lifestyle features as in Harrier XT. You will get in
> Automatic Climate Control,
> Cruise Control for your usage on Highway
> Alloy Wheel
> Premium Soft Touch Dash,
> Android Auto and Apple Car Play Experience

with other add on convenience features. which will deliver in superior experience with car as better feel good factor.

Harrier is a better pick over Alcazar any day unless features to play with is sole criteria. Be assured

2) DPF concerns in Diesel engines, is it manageable as part of maintenance?.
See as you referred that -
1) Should I go with Diesel or Petrol considering my regular Highway drives and for long term peaceful ownership on both cost and reliability terms.


Been you will be going on highway drive, DPF wont be an issue as will burn soot when you will take on to highway

If you are finalizing Harrier or need info on DPF issue
i suggest to interact in Harrier Community Group - there are handful of ​owners and car enthusiasts

You can send hi on whatsapp number 8595793939 and let know that you are having premium support on Site
Our support team will give you pass for Harrier Community group

3) Shall I consider Kushaq for atleast long drive factors if I skip space for 5 for now?
If you seek 4 seater primarily - not because width is narrow but as due to rear center seat back base is hard (as same designed for armrest) then Kushaq is a wonderful choice. You can own in Automatic one for superior convenience and paddle shifters

But a pointer - although its Petrol but when you compare to full size 2 Litre Diesel engine cars like Harrier - end car running cost wont be much different. Dont go by numbers of 1 Litre petrol engine- has enough grunt

Somehow Clutch is on heavier side, but Automatic makes it a breeze - hence recommend to choose in Automatic one.

Hope should help !!


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Hi Gagan Sir,

Thanks for the inputs, really helpful. I will send the message over WhatsApp as suggested.
Also will do some math's over the Petrol and Diesel ownership and if the cost is not much different, may be will consider Petrol.

One last thing, with my talks within family Nexon XZ+ Diesel Manual seems to be suitable option (hope its VFM from your point of view, please advise). However Kushaq I like but as there is no showroom in Bhopal, my parents are not able to check the back seat comfort for now so may be I will wait little more.

You can advise me last for Nexon XZ+ Diesel and can consider this thread as Resolved :).

Thanks again for the timely guidance sir :).
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Hi Sir,

Just awaiting for your one feedback, if I should go for Nexon XZ+ or consider other variant.

It's is costing me 13.31 lacs on road.
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Hi Ashutosh ji,

Nexon is best when you either choose in ​XM or upgrade to top of line XZ Plus
As already referred - Diesel Model in Manual Transmission is a great fun experience , else for AMT is Petrol

Although yes engine is slight vocal at higher RPM / speed but You will real admire in
> Sports Mode for fun
> ESP with 5 Star Build Quality
> No Dearth of Power in Mid range
> Lower Running Cost with 18+ mileage on highway and 13+ mileage in city in day to day drive conditions
> XZ Plus delivers great features which enhances ownership feel good factor with superior sound clarity (although Touch interface is not as fluid as should be)

Hope should help !!
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Hi Sir,

Thanks for the input again, I am almost sure for XZ+ diesel and did the test drives, found it powerful.
However requested dealer to give me test drive of automatic as well and then I will book it.

The final offer I got for XZ+ Diesel is 13:30 lacs with basic accessories and without extra warranty and AMC.
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Hi,

If need assistance on deal, pls provide deal breakup as components and cost against it
Will let know streams so as to save money
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Hi Sir, I booked it today as I was able to get the desired color in ready stock for XZ+.

The only discount I could get based on your suggestions from your YouTube videos is on the Insurance and co-operate, rest there was no offering from any dealer.

Attached the breakup as well
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Hi Ashutosh ji,

Yes, Tata Nexon now feature as at its highest quarterly sales with almost at level of Venue and Sonet

While Brezza tops the chart with close around 25,000 units sold from April to June, its Venue, Sonet and Nexon been sold with sales of 21,000 to 21,500 units fighting for 2nd best slot and Nexon scored better in June sales as against venue and Sonet too.

It all means
> High demand
> No Discounts

But, leave discounts - good thing is that you made a right choice which is more important for superior ownership experience
A last tip - do avail in 5 yr extended warranty scheme on car (cost in around 20K) - its essential and basis your average running opt in 4 yr Tata P2p protect which cost in another Rs 10K and includes wear & tear part like brake pads, clutch plate, suspension components

Hope should help !!
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Hi Sir,

Thanks for the upfront inputs, I was about to ask for P2P is good or not, but you highlighted already

I will take that as well :)
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Hi Sir,

Just awaiting for your one feedback, if I should go for Nexon XZ+ or consider other variant.

It's is costing me 13.31 lacs on road.


Hi Ashutosh, What is the final price you got it for? I am negotiating with showroom currently. The maximum discount they are giving me is 23K including corporate. Which showroom did you get the car from in Pune?
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