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  1. Vrajesh Tripathi
  2. New Cars, Reviews
  3. Thursday, April 22 2021
Hello Team,

I am thinking of changing my current car (Ciaz Automatic VXI+) and buying a new SUV. Below is my requirement and preference and as I was confused in finalising an option I bought premium support (attaching screenshot for the same)

- Family of 3
- Current Car is Ciaz AT VXI+
- Looking for SUV
- Automatic Transmission is MUST Reqt
- Good Ride and Handling with Good Safety and Build Quality

I have zeroed in On Ford Ecosport Automatic though I didnt like it does not have features TPMS, Apple Carplay and Flexibility to have leather seat covers. I almost decided it over cars like Creta IVT and Seltos because both were going way over budget and Seltos not considered safe as well

Now I am confused as Skoda Kushaq and VW Taigun is going to be launched soon. And if I get AT variant around 15/15.5 L I may want to consider that

Can you please help me decide if I should go for Ecosport and save some money? Or wait till Kushaq and Taigun to launch pricing. Or please let me know if there are any other options you recommend to consider

FYI - Don’t like Nexon and XUV300 because of AMT and also looks

Looking foreward to your response soon

Thanks and Regards, Stay Safe!

-Vrajesh
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Sir i was also in the same dilemma but i sorted out my way through the Toyota's Urban cruiser .
The best thing that distinguish it from Maruti Suzuki brezza is the front look and interior built quality. The important factor is that it comes with a 4 speed automatic torque converter which is best in class. Others offer a 6 speed torque converter but with a 1.0 or 1.2 litre engine but trust me this urban cruiser with 4 speed automatic gears are highly refined and best tuned with a 1.5 litre engine. Yes you get a 1500 cc engine at such a low cost. The only flaw you may have is that it comes in petrol version only and will cost you less when compared to EcoSport, Nexon,seltos,sonet,xuv300 etc.
Go have a look in the Toyota's showroom first and do test the cabin interior glove box and plastic material used in Toyota and the brezza you will surely notice the difference.

You will feel a SUV experience in urban cruiser. Rest u can go with Hyundai venue DCT gearbox but it offers a lower capacity engine which will be a issue in summers because u won't be able to rotate AC compressor with lower power at lower revs.= Less interior cooling.

The choice is yours thanking you
Amol Tevathia


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Dear Vrajesh ji,

Greetings !!

Ecosport
True, Ford Ecosport Automatic although an impressive choice but seems like Ford India missed in reading what Indian consumers want
> Lack of Android Auto, Apple car play is a deal breaker for many who spending in more than 12 Lakh on road
> Yes Earlier TPMS used to be offered in Titanium (2 years back), but same been removed
> Some other features been slashed too

Although yes Ecosport AT stuggles with low mileage. Still to view - by not introducing Ecosport Automatic in Android Auto and / or Sports trim is a big mistake by Ford India.

Had this model been available at around 12 Lakh exshowroom - could have definite undercut in Sonet & Venue Automatic Variants, and helped in extending appeal of Ecosport in Indian Market.

AMT
Yes when flexible on budget AMT do match in refinement of a conventional torque converter or CVT Gearbox

Brezza, Urban Cruiser
No nonsense product,
> 1.5 Litre Engine has good enough grunt for city use
> despite of old school 4 speed Automatic, its smooth for day to day city use where one use car to beat in city traffic
> Fuel Efficient as almost the most fuel efficienct AT (after Magnite & Kiger)
> Suspension dynamics are well sorted
> Zxi Model is equipped with good features
> Reliable and 4 star rated safe car

But, yes
> Interior aesthetics and plastic quality almost feels like worst in segment. Button, plastic, steering wheel seems like yester years
> Rear seat are placed slight upright position
> Lacks advanced safety of side & curtain airbag, ESP
> Highway dynamics in terms of steering feedback feels average

Been budget on your side - i wont really recommend Brezza and Urban Cruiser as you will end up with a feel of slight comrpomised product in aesthetics and styling

Sonet / Venue
I understand that Kia Seltos safety rating and NCAP outcome is a cause of conern and shock for many

Remember, there are few important parameters of safety
> Your Vehicle Speed
> Car Build Quality
> Safety Features
> Other Object with whom impact felt with its speed or stationary

Been NCAP Rating happens at 64 Kmph - a car with 5 star rating may fell significantly to 2 star or 1 Star if same car crash tested at 80 Kmph with incident been fatal.

Coming to Sonet & Venue. Well Venue DCT feels like with basic safety. Its Sonet which scores over Venue for anyone flexible in budget
Sonet is feature packed of advanced safety with
> 6 Airbags
> ESP, Traction
> TPMS
and comes with lifestyle features.

However, price point at which Sonet GTX Plus is available - this may just fall in close line to upcoming Kushaq / Taigun AT Trims

Upcoming Kushaq / Taigun
Anticipating Taigun to start from 9.99 Lakh in base trim and this base trim would be like offered with many more features over as what offered in Creta E Model or Seltos HTE Model

Expecting Middle Trim Ambition to be priced at around 12 lakh to 12.5 Lakh and a price premium of 1 Lakh would be for Automatic
Implies you will get in SKoda Kushaq Ambition Automatic in around Rs 13.25 Lakh to 13.75 Lakh ex-showroom for Automatic Trim and this would be like a great bet as experienced in different Skoda and VW Cars over period of time
> They offer class leading handling, possibly the best steering feedback
> Build Quality is a notch above most of the cars in segment
> 1 Litre TSI Engine has strong mid range, although has slight Turbo lag associated but same is well masked in Automatic Trim
> Biggest downside of VW, Skoda Cars is rear seat space which seems like well addressed in Kushaq been rear seat legroom space is surprisingly better as against other VW & Skoda Cars
> Also, localization is highly improved in VW and Skoda cars in recent years with spare part prices been reduced and service cost are competitive too

Although yes, am skeptical
> Whether middle trims will be offered with 4 airbags or just with 2 airbags
> Whether TPMS would be offered in or not in middle trim
> Whether ESP would be on offer or not in moddle trims

and only when variant details would be out can get details. But, yes considering huge investment which VW Group making in India - they would not leave any stone in making these products successful by offering competitive features at just right price.

To view - Skoda Kushaq / VW Taigun would just be worth a wait as and when prices would be introduced.
Hope should help !!
Vrajesh Tripathi Accepted Answer
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Dear Admin,

Thanks a lot for your extensive response. Below is what I am thinking and please let me know if that makes sense.

- I would wait for Kushaq and Taigun to come out with pricing and variant. If I get a 1.0 TSI Automatic somewhere around 15/16 which I am comfortable with I can think about going for the same over Sonet or Ecosport. My drive would be majority in City and occasionally I like to take it to long drives on highways (Ahmedabad to Vadodara). (Have a wish of driving really long like doing a Golden Quadrilateral some day :-)

- Sonet DCT, I have test driven and I liked it and its fully loaded with good ride but with almost 14.75 Onroad in Ahmedabad, I personally feel it's build quality and body doesn't feel as strong as other options like Ford Ecosport or even Tata Nexon so I am bit reluctant

- Though I wanted to always be within 15L but if I get Kushaq or Taigun around 16L I will probably stretch a bit and go for it as its a good product overall from Skoda and VW OR if it's well beyond 16L I am thinking of going for EcoSport Titanium+ (With compromise on some features)

Do you think above approach makes sense? Also do you recommend to look out something like Nissan Kicks CVT?

Thanks and Stay Safe, Take Care!

-Vrajesh
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Hi,

Kicks CVT although as product has lot of potential but ground reality is that Kicks is a flop product in sales
Last 6 month combined cumulative sales is not even 1000 units and basis
> Nissan after sales service network
> Kicks Ergonomics

I really cant recommend in the product out there.

Kushaq/Taigun - Am optimistic that price of Ambition Automatic will be fall in budget but only concerning part is Covid - which may disrupt supply chain and launch time. Hope so the car is launched on time and if yes can be top slot for need, requirement.

Hope should help !!
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Hello Admin Team,

Thank you! I have decided to wait for Kushaq and Taigun to come out with pricing and if by that that time any other product gets launched I will have more options to chose from.

In any case if nothing convinced me, I always have my first option of going for Ford Ecosport Titanium + which I liked in ride and handling and build quality when I had TD.

Thanks again! I will keep you posted when I finalize and reach out for any other help.

Take Care, Stay Safe!

-Vrajesh :-)


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Hello Admin Team,

There is one more question which came to my mind which I wanted to ask.

Between Skoda Kushaq and VW Taigun is there a particular product which has edge over other and you recommend over the other. Please let me know if thats the case with reason so I can take decision accordingly

Thanks and Stay Safe

-Vrajesh
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Hi,

Both would be one or more same one with
> Same Platform
> Similar build

The way we see in Rapid and Vento, Karoq and TRoc - it would be in similar way for Kushaq and Raigun
But, Kushaq would be pitched slight premium over Taigun in styling elements
Rest - basis price point and feature offering as and when announced can make selection. Launch scheduled in around 10 to 12 weeks from now

Hope should help !!
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Hello Team,

I got to know that Hyundai Venue has added some features in SX+ DCT which are Paddle Shifters, TPMS, Traction etc. How is Hyundai venue Ride and Build Quality. How is it overall safety wise and any negatives?

Thanks,

-Vrajesh
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Hi,

Venue DCT lacks advanced safety of Side & Curtain Airbags
Also misses on lifestyle features. To view Sonet GTX Plus DCT even if cost higher is worth a consideration over Venue DCT

Else - if seek budget perspective then wait for Sonet HTX Plus DCT (with updated features) - price would be announced in few days, would be worth a consideration,

Lastly, Kushaq / Taigun would be like a segment up car over Sonet / Venue.
Hope should help in making a pick
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Hello Team,

Thank you for response! I like Sonet GTX DCT when I had a TD. But I am not considering it after reading concerns around safety followed by Seltos 3 Star.

Are you suggesting safety should not be concern on Sonet Top Trim. I would be driving long on highways occasionally with family (3 people including myself)

Please advice on above confusion/concern

Stay Safe and Take Care

Thanks,
-Vrajesh
Gagan Modi Accepted Answer
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Hi,

There are many things to safety
Its like combination of
> Active and Passive Safety Features
> Speed of Car
> Driver Skills
> Build Quality
> Slight Luck

all goes hand in hand
Been the fact that Top of line Sonet is feature packed with 6 Airbags, ESP, Traction Control, Wide Tyres for good grip, LED Headlights for good visibility, TPMS Display and all. i would really rate Sonet GTX Plus a difference basis driver skill set and safety features.

Hope should help !!
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Hi All

Generic comment based on my observation!

I really wish that some day all car companies realise to have a variant which is loaded on safety and with absence of gimmick features like Voice Command, Air Purifier, Vantillated Seats, And even sunroof.

There are takers of full safety features but to avoid cost increasing they balance features i. Variants.

There should be a variant focussed only on safety and cut cost by removing gimmicky features
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Vrajesh Tripathi Accepted Answer
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Hi Team,

While I was exploring Hyundai Venue, I observed that some venue on road looks smaller than other venues? Is that the case. Does it look a bit smaller in some lower variant. I would be interested in Top DCT but at times I see on road which looks decent size and some looks smaller
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Hi, Well all Venue are of same height
Although difference can be max 1/2 inch which cant be caught in moving car due to smaller tyre in base models
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Hello Mr. Modi and Team,

Now after a careful consideration for selection of a Sub Compact Automatic SUV Car my choice has boiled down to below 2 options for now

1 - Ford Ecosport Titanium +

Positives: : Great Build Quality, Fully Loaded Safety Kit with 6 Airbags, Sunroof and proven Torque Converter Gearbox

Negatives : No TPMS, No Apple CarPlay in Automatic Model, Low Mileage (not a deal breaker for me)

2 - Hyundai Venue Top Model DCT

Positives : Hyundai's worry free After Sales Service, Cabin looks better than Ecosport, DCT with Paddle Shifters, TPMS, Support with Apple Car Play

Negatives : Comparatively lower Build Quality then Ford Ecosport? Only 2 Air Bags in Top Model (surpised! why?), DCT Reliability and higher maintenance. Rear Look from outside which doesn't give SUVish look (I know Look preference are subjective and varies from individual)

Please note above positive and negative are based on my perception and view. I have a family of 3 who would be mainly traveling in this car. Occasional long drives on highways up to 400-500 Kms but mainly city driven

I need your help and your expert opinion that based on above understanding what would you recommend. I am inclined towards Ford Ecosport because I am getting 6 Air Bags and full safety kit with good build in lesser price than Hyundai Venue. Do you think this is right consideration?

Awaiting your response! Take Care and Stay Safe

-Vrajesh
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Hi Vrajesh ji,

If Low Mileage is not a deal breaker then Ecosport AT has its own charisma
Yes the car is
> not as quick as Venue DCT or Sonet DCT
> Not as stylish
> Lacks features like Android Auto

But,
> Advanced Safety of 6 Airbags, ESP
> Highway Handling remains the best
> Torque converter still feels the most reliable in AT Transmission

For
> TPMS - can add through spare part from aftermarket for internal sensor with a digital tyre inflator
> Android Auto / Apple car play - use a good mobile phone holder from ZAAP and pair a spare phone to it or main phone

Ecosport biggest issue is low fuel efficiency and somehow yes live Navigation
So if get this work around of live navigation and low mileage is something which is not concerning - Ecosport AT deserves to be on attention.

Last but not least - Ecosport is due for generation change expected in a year or so. but that should be no reason to reject the model.

Hope should help !!
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